Reader Comments on The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma

Last Updated: 11/05/05

With such a controversial article as The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma I suspected that I would be hearing from readers. Below is a sampling of the comments received and my replies to those comments. From time to time I will post addition reader comments when in my opinion they contribute to the discourse on the situation at hand. Generally speaking I will not post 'hate mail', threats, praise, thanks or similar comments as they do not contribute to understanding the situation occurring in LeFlore County.

Persons wishing to comment may do so by e-mailing The Bubbaworld Webmaster.

If you do e-mail a comment and wish your name and e-mail address to be withheld please state that fact within your e-mail. I will respect all such requests but please keep it clean, refrain from personal attacks and libel against private individuals and businesses if you wish your comment to be published here. I reserve the right to edit comments submitted. Such edits will be only to remove text while leaving the remainder of the comment intact. In editing comments I will place three asterisks (***) on either side of the edit, if I add or change words or phrases those changes will appear in italic.

If I reply to the readers' comments that reply will also appear in italic.

Hey, I love this kind of stuff, sure a neat webpage you set up. But when you going to set up another webpage telling the other side of the story. Let's interview and hear from the other party involved in this dispute. Presently your webpage is all one sided. There is always two sides to a story. If I were setting up this on my website, I wouldnt take sides (maybe you already have lol), but I'd try to be neutral and let the people choose. You might even consider creating a Poll, so when people have read both sides, they can vote on the matter. Wouldnt that be interesting? But then if there is only one side told, a Poll would be useless.

Butch Bridges
Ardmore, OK
www.OklahomaHistory.net

P.S. From a historical view, all disputes like this are settled in a civil court, citizen vs citizen. Lets keep the government out of it. lol. The sad part is when court is over, one side loses.

Thanks for your comments.

As I acknowledged in the article there are two aspects to this situation. Certainly there is a civil aspect that will likely have to be resolved in civil court. However there is also a governmental aspect. My article does not dwell upon the civil aspect but rather focuses upon the governmental aspects of the situation.

All government needs to do at this time is conduct a land survey to determine if in fact county property is being 'fenced off' and thereby converted to private use. It really is a simple issue and one which must be resolved by government. That the officials of LeFlore County have thus far refused to address the issue is the centerpiece of the article. Of course if Barbara Ellison is correct in claiming county property has been converted to private use and a land survey bore that out, the county would be forced to compel the removal of that portion of the fence upon county property and thereby Ms. Ellison would benefit in that her vehicles would be able to 'escape'.

If any government official of LeFlore County, Oklahoma wishes to comment, refute or otherwise 'have their say' I will be more than happy to give 'their side' equal coverage.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld.com


As someone who's had a great deal of experience with the corruption in LeFlore County I appreciate your attention to the Ellison situation.

Our county commissioners clearly support the owners of the *** store *** because county workers eat lunch there. I know this because county trucks are frequently at their store.

My neighbors have a piece of property I'd sure like to have. I wonder---if I make lunch for county workers, can I rip out my neighbors fence and claim their property as my own?

(Name withheld by request)

Thanks for you comments.

Hopefully the LeFlore County Commissioners will do their job and get the land survey done to resolve this fiasco once and for all.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld.com

Those 'neighbors' should be ashamed of themselves. I couldn't do that to anyone, no matter how much I hated them. No one who's decent could do that to another human being.

If what I read on this site is true, and I'm sure it it, Lance Smith, Rob Wallace, and Marion Fry have broken a few laws themselves by letting the neighbors do this to Ellison. They've basically given the neighbors permission to harass Ellison.

Does Lance Smith not care that he is putting the county at risk of facing a HUGE lawsuit. Or does he know, but just doesn't care? What if Ellison's house caught on fire? What if an ambulance needed to get to her house? What if---God forbid---someone died because of that damn fence?

I used to think Commissioner Lance Smith was a decent, honest young man. I voted for him and helped get him elected because I campaigned for him.

I won't make that mistake twice.

L. Johnson

LeFlore County, Oklahoma

Thanks for your comments.

Unfortunately few people realize that county residents are liable for the actions or inaction's of their commissioners.

Yes there is a huge liability in this situation if an illegal fence on county property prevented emergency services from reaching the Ellison property and as a result someone died. Tort lawyers from all over the country would be drooling over such a case. A case which would of course be filed in federal court, not LeFlore County District Court. The property owners of LeFlore County would be liable for any judgment handed down in such a case and would likely see their property taxes increased to pay off such a judgment.

One of the neat things about elections; if you made a mistake during the last one you get to correct it at the next one.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld.com

I applaud you for having the integrity to publish this article. Media is the means of conveying messages and stories. Some of us like it and some of us don't. Yes, there is always two sides to a story and some may say three sides.

Yet, it is too often citizens of low financial means are taken advantage of.

In this article you interpreted some meaningful pieces. Especially that of local government involvement and lack of involvement.

I wish this family this best in this situation. It is an awkward position to be in. I have heard both sides of the story and believe me Ms. Ellison has more than enough evidence to show that she owns this property and the driveway. Unfortunately, the other family has proof they own it as well. But it was not done in a legal or ethical manner. Yet, it depends on whose friend you are on the way up the political line.

I have lived in both rural and city areas. Rural areas are so much more corrupt as I have witnessed. It is small town folks who is a family member of somebody and an outsider has no chance to ever be right.

I have an elderly mother and father, and a handicapped brother. My neighbors put up a handicapped sign for parking. The mother, 90 years old is in poor health. She doesn't use the transportation because most of the time when she leaves the home she is taken away in an ambulance. Her healthy daughter, son-in-law, and 25 year old grandson use the parking space daily. One end of the sign is posted about two feet onto our property. BUT...they are not blocking us in!!! Legally we could make a fuss about it, but they were not and have not been totally ignorant in taking the whole front of our property. My mom has said something to them about it. They realize that there was an error made and never bothered to correct it. To this day it has not been a major deal because we are friendly neighbors and when help is needed we don't turn a blind eye to one another.

Now if we park in this spot we will get ticketed. And so have they...because sometimes they forget to put the handicapped sign in the window.

Judi


Thanks for your comments.

The primary purpose of government, all government, is to protect the rights of the citizen. When government fails or refuses to protect the rights of even one citizen, government itself is a failure.

What struck me from the first instant of hearing of this situation is that LeFlore County government has failed miserably in its primary purpose. It this case it has failed to act to resolve a relatively simple question, that question being, "Is any portion of The Fence of LeFlore County located upon public property?"

It is a simple question requiring only a yes or no answer. That the question remains unanswered to this date strongly suggests that county officials know the answer and are working in a concerted effort to avoid revealing that answer.

Why the LeFlore County commissioners refuse to answer this simple question is open to debate. However there is no doubt they have thus far refused to do their duty, answer the question and settle the issue once and for all.

Actions usually speak louder than words. But in this case, LeFlore County government has managed to equate the two into an official government policy, one of "No Action Taken".

It is therefore reasonable to question whether their inaction is the result of favoritism and/or outright corruption.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld.com

Thank you soo much for putting this on your website. I have tried everything I could do to help Barbara and her family with this issue. But like her I ran into nothing but brick walls everywhere I went. When "Leflore County "doesn't want truth to come out there is Nothing the "outside" person can do about it . It is this way with everything here, but All we can do is take one thing at a time and this is one injustice that needs to be dealt with. Then maybe we can be heard on the next injustice alot sooner and quicker , as they will know we mean business and have the backbone to see it through.

Please no name or email addy for me . I have heard enough things about leflore county to be afraid of what can happen .Just sign me...

A Staunch Supporter.

Thanks for your comments.

While no one can be expected to right all of the wrongs they see, it is the duty of all who see an injustice to speak out in an attempt to make it right. I applaud your efforts, even if they ran into a 'brick wall'.

While brick walls are strong, there's no brick wall that can withstand the continual pounding of a thousand outraged hands and strong voices demanding justice.

Scottish philosopher Edmund Burke understood the truth way back in the 18th century. Now it's time for the good people of LeFlore County to learn that same truth. And that truth is, Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld.com

The following update was added to The Fence of LeFlore County on 2/22/05:

Early on the morning of 2/21/05, Barbara Ellison's step-father, Joel P. Weller, husband of Maxine Weller, passed away. He had been taken from a local nursing home to the hospital in Poteau, OK on Friday. Joel was a veteran of WW II having served as a fighter pilot and instructor in the U.S. Army Air Corps. During Joel's stay in the nursing home and hospital, friends of Barbara Ellison and her mother had been providing transportation as time and circumstances permitted in order that Maxine could spend as much time with Joel as possible.

Sadly, Maxine was not at Joel's side at the time of his passing owing to a lack of transportation and The Fence of LeFlore County. The fence which even on the day of Joel's passing prevented her from leaving home to view Joel's body until outside transportation could once again be arranged.

Joel's spirit is now free. Once again he can soar with eagles in the skies overhead, as he did so many years ago. For now Joel is truly free of the bonds of mortal men and the fences with which they try to make prisoners of us all.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld.com

As someone who has been following the Ellison land situation for quite some time, I was relieved to see that someone had finally taken notice. I felt that your article was thoroughly researched, informative and unbiased. In the past I have been abhorred by the ridicule and demeaning comments that Ms. Ellison has suffered in trying to make her voice heard on this matter (i.e. public forums, etc.)!! This situation has been going on for what I feel is an unnecessarily prolonged length of time. Surely it should not be so difficult for the county to conduct a land survey to resolve this issue once and for all. I myself live in an entirely different state and have seen my share of property disputes, but never have they taken this long to resolve or the parties involved so easily dismissed and subject to such childish ridicule and comments from their peers. How would they feel if THEY were to have a fence restricting them to their property and an eyesore such as that camper to look upon every waking morning?

Hopefully your article will make others aware of what is going on and somehow help speed up the resolution process. I am not putting down on the government officials in Oklahoma, for they may have had reasons for their actions that are unknown to me or out of my realm of knowledge on these subjects. However, I do hope that they will look a little more closely at this issue and help to end it for good. I am sure Ms. Ellison and her elderly mother would like to have access off of their property once again and to be able to continue their existence without all of this hassle.

I am in hopes that you will post this message as I know others who feel the same way, but are too timid to voice their opinion on this matter even though, as a free country, we have that right.

Sincerely,
Denise in LA

Thanks for your well thought out comments.

When I first learned of Barbara Ellison's plight two issues struck me as screaming for answers.

First, why have the County Commissioners of LeFlore County refused to do their jobs and settle the public property issues once and for all? All it takes is a land survey. Why are they so scared of a legitimate land survey? Do they have something to hide? If so, what?

Second, why do so many of Ellison's detractors over-look the fact that it is a crime to convert public land to private use? Were someone to fence off a portion of the county courthouse you can bet county officials would take action. If someone were to fence off Commissioner Lance Smith's front yard, blocking his driveway, you can pretty well rest assured that the full weight of law would swoop down upon the miscreant. When law enforcement refuses to uphold the law or does so only on a selective basis there is no law other than the survival of the fittest.

It is not only reasonable but also morally necessary to ask why have the LeFlore County Commissioners, the County Sheriff and the District Attorney crammed their collective heads in the sand while public property in front of Barbara Ellison's home was illegally converted to private use? In my opinion, the only conclusion available to a reasonable person is that they simply do not care to enforce the law, they do not care about Barbara Ellison's rights and they certainly do not care about the rule of law. If they did this fiasco would have ended shortly after it started.

And yes we all have a right to speak out against evil. Not only do we have a right to do so we have an obligation to do so. For it is the tolerance of evil and evildoers that permits evil to flourish. When good people are cowered and remain silent in the face of evil they are nothing but cowards and deserve the oppression they will ultimately feel.

Benjamin Franklin once said, "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

If I didn't know better I would swear Ol' Ben was talking about a lot of the folks in LeFlore County, Oklahoma.

Each and every man, woman and child in LeFlore County has a stake in Barbara Ellison's fight to bring justice to what is currently a lawless county. As long as the citizens of LeFlore County tolerate injustice they are going to have injustice and the next injustice just may well take place at their house unless they wake up, wise up and rise up against the evil that surrounds them.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld.com

Dear webmaster;

I am in Florida for the winter, but I am from Michigan and after reading all of the issue of the Barbara Ellison's property dispute it is hard to believe that any government officials are not responding to the allegations. So in my opinion I believe there is merit to Barbara Ellisons accusations.

We don't have things like this happen in Michigan, our officials want to get reelected. And in Florida after the 2000 president election officials here are very afraid of looking corrupt as they may have been in the past.

Therefore the county must respond soon or face public scrutiny and possibly the defeat of all county commissioners at the next election and the people will not forget some problem this dire.

Ernie Gomez in Lake Wales, Florida

Thanks for your comments Mr. Gomez.

As I've dug deeper into the fiasco that is The Fence of LeFlore County I've come to the opinion that government officials in LeFlore County, Oklahoma simply do not care what anyone thinks and haven't for a long time.

As a result of publishing this report I've received from various county residents allegations and evidence of corruption throughout the county's government. A corruption eating away at the county like a cancer consuming everything it touches.

In my opinion, if even one LeFlore County Commissioner cared about truth and justice this issue would have been settled months ago. That it hasn't and that all three commissioners have refused to do anything to resolve the issue can only be seen as a tact and willful endorsement of the oppression of Barbara Ellison and her mother.

Likewise in my opinion, the residents of LeFlore County have had repeated opportunities to turn these rascals out of office and have thus far kept electing them time and again. Hopefully the voters will wake up and realize that what has happened to Barbara Ellison could just as easily happen to them and that will motivate voters do something about it at the next election.

In the mean time, I encourage everyone to spread the news of Barbara Ellison's plight near and far. Contact news media, government officials and radio talk shows and help shine a bright light on the corruption of LeFlore County, Oklahoma. It's the very least honest and law abiding persons can do.

Well, this is one of the most ignorant and illegal things i've ever seen. Several years ago when I got my phone installed by OK Western I told them I wanted the box on my property they told me they couldnt cause it had to be on COUNTY PROPERTY.

I'd rip that friggin fence out.

I guess Ellison ain't in the county click and the neighbors are. If the truth was know the neighbors probably donated big bucks to the sheriff and the commissioners.

There a bunch of sick bastards.

R. Johnson

Thanks for your comments.

In Oklahoma all utilites have to place their lines, poles, pipes, equipment boxes and so forth on the public right of way. The only thing the utilities can place on private property are the actual service lines to the property. There is no doubt that the phone box in question is located on the county right of way. It always has been and always will be.

Most of us would have ripped the fence out long ago. Some of us would have likely met the fence builders with a loaded shotgun before they had the first fence post in place. However, Barbara Ellison has elected to follow the law and demand that government do its job. I admire her for that. That government refuses to do its job and in the process violates her civil rights is not a reflection on Barbara Ellison but upon corrupt government officials. Ultimately one of more LeFlore County officials may find themselves behind a fence, one in El Reno, OK.

And yes there is a sickness in LeFlore County, OK. It is like a cancer eating away at everything it touches and if left unchecked the entire county will soon belong to the cancer. Assuming it doesn't already.

About time some common sense prevailed, but then common sense isn't too common these days, especially in LeFlore County.

Glenn Smith

Thanks for your comments.

And I could not agree more regarding common sense, or the lack there of in LeFlore County.

It also seems that honesty, integrity and devotion to duty are also somewhat lacking within LeFlore County government also. Hopefully these shortcomings can be resolved come next election cycle.

Maybe if enough of the people of that county would call the governor, about this he could see that unless he does something he might have a hard time getting re-elected. Same with all the other people in that county.

Don Lawson.

Thanks for your comments.

Certainly calling Governor Brad Henry is a good idea. It might help or it might not. At least it might give him the idea that something 'stinks' in LeFlore County. As to calling county officials, Barbara Ellison has been calling and writing them for months. Evidently they are all deaf, blind and DUMB. At least to anyone demanding justice for Barbara Ellison.

Dear People at BubbaWorld,

I want to commend you on a thorough job done on your coverage of the "Fence of Leflore County" situation. Clearly, the county officials in Leflore County have done a poor job of trying to right a wrong. It has been amazing to me that they would not order a survey done of the land, in order to settle the question about whether or not the fence was setting on an easement. I also want to let you know that I feel that you have taken it upon yourself to make available to the public this situation. Without your coverage of this story, many people, especially those from out of state, would never have known Barbara Ellison's story.

Sincerely,
Ann Fulgham
Attala County, MS

Thanks for both your comments and kind words.

We became involved in Barbara Ellison's situation owing to a perception on our part that LeFlore County officials were doing NOTHING to right the wrongs being done to her. Over the course of our coverage of this shameful lawlessness nothing has changed our original view. And this in spite of changes in the holders of the offices of both Sheriff and District Attorney. To this day not a single government official in LeFlore County has done ANYTHING toward resolving the issue of the taking of public property for private use, which is of course a crime. Evidently they are just not interested in upholding the law. Otherwise they would have done so long before now.

I have been a staunch supporter of Ms. Ellison since she brought this issue to my attention last year and, like others, have had no luck with efforts to get the county commissioners or other officials to anything to resolve it.

She is to be applauded for taking the initiative to finally remove that fence! It's now time for the Sheriff's department to follow up on the stalking and harassment issues and put a stop to this madness once and for all!

Perhaps Ms. Ellison should install a fence on her property and install locked gates to keep her tormentors out.

Kim Collins

Thanks for your comments.

Since I first heard of Barbara's plight I've been astounded by the total lack of action on the part of LeFlore County officials, all of whom seem to think that if they just wait long enough this fiasco will simply go away.

It won't. The sooner the 'powers' of LeFlore County, Oklahoma wake up, wise up and do the right thing the better off everyone will be. The rule of law and the Oklahoma and U.S. Constitutions apply, even in LeFlore County. And in spite of what the 'good old boys' would have us believe.

Ok YOu have failed to point out the fact about that the land has been given back to the original Owner for certain reasons they will me known as person A. Person A gave the land to both parties yet there is no deed so technally the land still belongs to personA who passed away.

A nother fact is she does not know who is honking in her yard. the town is full of teenagers who as I know of will do things as that cause they can. in truth you need to get your facts straight. Bubba Do you even live in Leflore county If so not in that area or you would know the whole store but you dont. So long and GOOD DAY!

nathan steelman

Thanks for your comments.

Although they do not make sense they do serve to demonstrate the thought processes or more accurately the lack thereof which has permitted this fiasco to occur.

Now, on to the issues you have raised, as best I can decipher them.

There has been no land 'given back' to anyone in this situation. The best evidence of this fact is that the telephone junction box is located where it always has been. Had the old easement been 'given back' to anyone, both Oklahoma law and Oklahoma Corporation Commission rules require the phone company to move their lines and junction boxes off private property and onto the county easement. That this has not taken place proves you are wrong on the issue.

Your contention that Barbara Ellison does not know who was honking a horn in her own yard should win the Stupid Comment of the Year award, if such exists. Try this test for yourself. Have someone you know drive their vehicle in close proximity to you and honk that vehicle's horn. Unless you are blind, deaf and totally unaware of your surroundings it will be obvious who honked the horn.

That you allude to a 'town full of teenagers' is simply a red herring and you should know it. Everyone else will. Barbara Ellison not only heard the horn she saw the vehicle and driver that was harassing her. It really is that simple.

As to getting my facts straight, they are straight. Throughout Part 1 of The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma I've taken great pains to not only get the facts straight but to present proof of the statements made within the article.

If you would care to present evidence that anything I've written either in the article itself or in my follow up to comments from readers is inaccurate please feel free to do so. I welcome not only comments from readers but also article submissions in refutation. The only requirement for such articles is they must contain at least some evidence to refute my original claims. If you are man enough to provide such refutation with evidence to back up your claims, I'm man enough to publish it right along side the original article. Please feel free to consider the gauntlet dropped.

As to the issue of whether I live in LeFlore County, I do not.

However that does not mean that I would or even should tolerate injustice, corruption and fraud being practiced against those that do. That Barbara Ellison was and still is unable to obtain justice in LeFlore County, Oklahoma is sufficient cause for making her story known. It is also sufficient cause for my continuing to do so in subsequent articles. Part II of The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma will be going on-line shortly. For that I make no apologies. If the truth hurts you must be on the wrong side of the issue.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld.com

Thank you for disproving everything I was told by the neighbors and their supporters.

I'm one of many people who's been lied to about who owns the property in question, and after looking at the documents you posted, I have no doubt that Ellison is the legal owner.

The 'neighbors' need to back the hell off. They've stirred up enough trouble and have told enough lies.

The Poteau newspaper should've been called. If they had done a story about what the neighbors were doing to Ellison and demanded to know why officials weren't doing anything to help her, maybe the good people in this county would have stepped in earlier.

Belva Barber and OK Western probably just trusted that the neighbors were telling the truth because the neighbors are a church-going 'Christian' family. This is a good lesson for us all: We should be careful when dealing with a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Signed,
Lied To In LeFlore County

Thanks for your comments.

Undoubtedly there have been many lies told in regard to this situation.

Those that desire the truth can and will find it, as it is available. We have in this series of articles not only presented the truth but provided documentation to demonstrate the truth. However, the truth is like food. You can place both before a person and they must want either before they will consume it. It appears that some of the citizens of LeFlore County had rather 'starve' than partake of the truth.

Of course, we at Bubbaworld are going to continue serving up the truth and not just for and to the residents of LeFlore County but to any and everyone willing to partake of it.

Slowly but surely eyes are being opened in LeFlore County and not just about 'Sunday Morning Christians' and cowardly county officials. Slowly but surely people outside LeFlore County are taking notice. And they are not liking what they see.

Sam Cooke was right when he sang "A Change Is Gonna Come".

Webmaster, Bubbaworld.com

I as a friend of Barbara, want to thank Bubbaworld, for these articles, to expose the illegal goings on in that county.

We had a problem with our county government and the sheriff's office. The state's attorney was contacted and his office investigated, and put out the sheriff and all his deputies and appointed a new sheriff. If you all had a states attorney like that, it would help.

Don Lawson.

Thanks for your comments.

Hopefully one of these days the Oklahoma Attorney General will see fit to conduct an investigation. He has available the power to do so via the Multi-County Grand Jury which is very well suited to investigating government malfeasance, corruption and fraud in both local and state government.

In an upcoming article we will be documenting extensive fraud and cover-ups in relation to The Fence of LeFlore County and hopefully enough people will see and understand the evidence to force the Attorney General to act.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld

Dear Bubbaworld Guy,

It looks like some county officials need to be locked up in that new jail of theirs with Ellison's neighbors in the cell next to them.

(Name Withheld)

Thanks for your comments, with which I could not agree more.   Lawlessness should never be tolerated, not even when it is apparently acceptable to those sworn to uphold the law.

The 'neighbors' told the phone company workers they owned the county property where there was already an existing pedestal, and told them they couldn't install another line to that same property? The phone guys should've just installed the line anyway and told the 'neighbors' to contact their office if they had any complaints instead of putting two of those ugly pedestals in the front yard, on private property.

The law requires that all utilities, including telephone pedestals, are to be installed on county property. Miss Ellison should make the phone company remove the pedestals from her property. If she doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised if the county eventually claims they own her front yard because the pedestals are there.

Regarding the actions of Undersheriff Bruce Curnutt in Part 3, I'd like to say that he was way out of line by demanding to see the id of the people who were tearing down that fence. He's not Gestapo and we're not in Nazi Germany.

(No name)

Thanks for your comments.

Regarding 'the phone guys', my personal opinion was and remains that they were either cowards or in 'cahoots' with Ellison's 'neighbors'.  I have been told that several phone company employees frequent the store next door to Barbara Ellison's home, especially around lunch time.  If this is the case, the odds are it was an in 'cahoots' thing rather than a cowardly thing which prevented the installation both originally and during the second installation effort.

One of the most foolish aspects of the 'phone fiasco' was that the phone company on the one hand claimed that it must have its facilities on the ciounty right-of-way while also claiming that it required an easement from Ellison's neighbors to get to those facilities.   'Dumb and dumber' does not begin to describe such flawed logic or those that accepted it as fact.

Regarding Undersheriff Curnutt's actions when the nuisance was being abated, if anything he should have written up a commendation for those civic minded citizens removing a public nuisance from county property.  Obviously he did not see it that way, and that in spite of what the law says.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld

Thank you for bringing out all the corruption, lies and deceit that was going on over this land. Barbara has stood firm in the face of all the derogatory remaks that have been made to her and about her. She is a woman of conviction and strength. She has, with your help, taken a HUGE step in cleaning up Leflore county. Now all citizens of this county should do the same. We can not do any less. The footsteps have been marked for us all to follow in. Thank you Barbara and Bubbaworld!!

NO NAME PLEASE

Thanks for your comments and the kind words regarding our efforts.   Your comments regarding Barbara and her efforts to bring justice to LeFlore County, Oklahoma are right on the money.

Throughout it all, it has been Barbara and her mother Maxine that have endured and survived ridicule, abuse and outright terrorism.  All that I have done is to report the events after they occurred and that from relative safety, far from LeFlore County, Oklahoma.

The truth is available, thanks in a large part to the good folks at the Oklahoma Corporation Commission who simply would not let an injustice prevail.   Now that the citizens of LeFlore County know the truth, it is up to them, as a society, to decide whether to do something about it or continue looking the other way.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld

As a relative, friend and supporter of Barbara Ellison, I want to personally thank you for the effort you have put into this project.   Being a half assed web designer myself, I know the time you have had to spend creating the pages for "The Fence", gathering information and verifying it.

It appears that the tide has turned for Barbara and her Mom with the information you posted in part 5 and I am glad to see justice begin to prevail in LeFlore county.

Thank you,
Kim Collins

http://uiso.org
http://helpingardmore.org
www.onenationoklies.com
www.ndnweb.com

Thanks for your comments and your are certainly welcome for what ever help we may provide in bringing justice to this scandalous affair.   Our contributions in revealing the trials and tribulations of two women who were simply trying to live in peace and be left alone pale in comparison to what these two brave women have endured while living the horror story.   But a better day is coming, for as you point out the tide has turned and we are going to continue to do whatever we can to insure in remains turned.

Webmaster, Bubbaworld

Dear Bubbaworld Webmster,

You feel free to post everyone's information etc.... Who are you? you spend hours upon hours looking all this stuff up. Get a job bubbaworld webmaster. oh, but I am sure you are on Government freebies. What's your name? You seem to refer to yourself only as "the writer".

I accidentally stumbled upon this website and it has given me a heartache. I was born and raised in LeFlore county but am so very thankful I no longer reside there because of people like you and the ones you have written about.

If this woman had an issue with the fence, why didn't she tear it down herself? If she wanted a survey, why didn't she have it surveyed and get reimbursed from the county? don't you think they have much bigger fish to fry than dealing with this obviously deranged ellison crew? come on, can't you find anything better to write about. get off your butt and get a job. Lance Smith works his ass off every single day of his life. You ought to try it. If you think you could do a better job, why don't you run for elected office? but of course, you prefer to remain nameless, just offering criticism about others. I can't believe I have wasted so much time reading your crap and responding. Guess I am ALMOST as ignorant as you.

Joel Cape

Thanks for your comments.

When one engages in argumentum ad hominem such as you do above it really detracts from one's argument and diminishes reasonable discourse.   However, you raised a couple of valid points which deserve comment.

The information posted on Bubbaworld since its inception in 1997 is public information. Neither I, the webmaster, or the various contributors to Bubbaworld publish anyone's private information.  Never have, never will.

If you cared to look at the various documents which are part of the series of articles covering The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma you would find that we insured that personal information such as SSN, Driver's License numbers, address, phone numbers and DOBs were redacted from the official documents before publication.  If what you said were true we would have simply published the documents as they were received from the LeFlore County Courthouse.  You can walk into the courthouse and obtain them yourself and they will be complete with all the info we redacted before publication.

If the truth as revealed in this series of reports on Bubbaworld has given you a heartache you might wish to consider your own point of view and why you are happy you no longer live in LeFlore County.   The truth is what it is.  If the truth hurts then one may be on the wrong side of the fence.

As to why Barbara Ellison didn't tear down the fence herself, you might wish to review Part 1 wherein we described, albeit somewhat mistakenly, the fence itself.  It was constructed of welded steel pipe and cow, not hog, panels as we stated in Part 1, set on large diameter steel posts embedded deep into the ground.  It required three able bodied people working hard at it half a day to cut the fence out.  The remnants of the steel fence posts remain today as it will take heavy equipment to pull them from the ground.  Now maybe you believe Barbara Ellison and her 72 year old mother should have been able to do this work themselves.   But you would be wrong, of course.

You question why Barbara Ellison did not have a survey performed.   She did have multiple surveys performed and no one in county government was interested in seeing them.  There's no provision in Oklahoma law for a land owner to have a land survey conducted and then be reimbursed by the county.

As to what 'deranged ellison crew' you are referring I'm at a loss.   It was not Barbara Ellison that constructed a fence across neighboring property blocking all access to the public roadway.  You seem to have it backwards and unless you would like to clarify the issue in a follow up I will simply leave it at that.

As to whether LeFlore County Commissioner Lance Smith 'works his ass off every single day of his life', I have no idea.  I am not aware of Commissioner Smith's work ethic.  I do have grave reservations about his honesty and integrity.  Were Commissioner Smith an honest public servant it would not have taken a court action by the Oklahoma Corporation Commission to force the truth from him.  Commissioner Smith had many months to tell the truth and refused to do so.  Many months while Barbara Ellison and her mother were confined by a fence illegally constructed upon both county and Ellison property.   Commissioner Smith could have resolved the issue at any time of his choosing.   That he did not until confronted with a court action speaks volumes of the man's character.  And it's not a flattering speech.

When the truth hurts, one needs to consider that possibly they are on the wrong side of the fence.  That is certainly the case when it comes to The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma.

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I noticed that you still prefer to remain anonymous.  I would also like to add one more comment now that I have calmed down over reading all of that last night.  For starters, (yes, I have spoken to an attorney licensed in the state of OK.)  That issue with the fence was a civil issue.  The county commissioners had nothing to do with it.  He cannot tear a fence down that is built on private land.   Also I would like to mention that his legal counsel told him, the county commissioner to stay out of it.  Again, you need to have both sides of the story instead of just attack, attack, attack.

You catch more flies with honey my dear webmaster. Be careful about your slandering of others.

Sincerely ,
Lucie Smith Cape

Thanks for your comments.

It is good that you have calmed down.  Unfortunately it appears that you have yet to grasp the reality of The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma.

Reality is that the vast majority of the fence was not built on private land but rather upon county right-of-way as was determined by the Oklahoma Corporation Commission and attested to by the sworn statement of Commissioner Smith himself.

Might I suggest that you go back and actually read for comprehension, Part 5, for in that part there are the official documents detailing the ownership of the property and the clear proof that the majority of the fence was built on county land.

Land which is under the direct control of the LeFlore County Commissioners and within the District represented by none other than Commissioner Smith, who by Oklahoma Statute has the legal authority to order the removal from that land any fence constructed upon it without the approval of the county commission.

I do not know how to make these facts any clearer to you.  The documents are there, including the sworn statement made under oath by Commissioner Smith, and the documents speak for themselves.

If Commissioner Smith's attorney advised him to 'stay out of it' then the Commissioner might want to consider finding another attorney as it would appear he is not being well advised regarding his duties, responsibilities and powers as a county commissioner in Oklahoma.

As for 'both sides of the story', Commissioner Smith or any other government official or employee that desires to refute anything appearing in the series is more than welcome to submit their statement to the Webmaster and it will be published, intact and without editing except for formatting for display as an HTML page.

As to 'slandering', it is not slander when one speaks the truth.   It is not libel when one writes the truth.  The next time you consult with 'an attorney licensed in the state of OK.' you might wish to ask for an explanation of the difference between slander and libel as it seems you have the two confused.  Rather than a tongue-in-cheek reference to slandering, your e-mail should have made reference to libeling.

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Dear Friend,

You have done an excellent job of presenting the facts regarding Barbara Ellison's land.  Had it not been for you, Barbara would have had no support, to speak of, especially not the kind that would make public the atrocities that were taking place.  Thanks for a straight to the point, easily understood explanation of what has been happening for many months.

Sincerely,
Ann Breedlove

Thanks for your comments and kind words.

While we here at Bubbaworld are proud of our efforts in this case, the truth is our's has been an easy task.  All we had to do was report the events.  Barbara and Maxine had to live them.

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After reading the articles and court documents posted on Bubbaworld, a person will probably have one of two reactions: anger ,or anger.

An honest person will be angry that political corruption is so arrogantly and blatantly practiced to benefit certain people who commit outrageous criminal acts against innocent people.

A dishonest person will be angry that decent people dared say anything about it.

Joel Cape referred to the victims in this matter as 'the deranged ellison crew'? Deranged? These women were harassed, verbally threatened, threatened with guns, slandered, cursed, stalked, had their fence torn out, had their propane lines ripped from the ground and had their trees cut down, and Mr. Cape calls them 'deranged', and calls the Bubbaworld guy 'ignorant' ?

Having one's cranium inserted in one's alimentary canal does tend to impede one's vision. I suggest the Capes get their head out, then get their dictionary out and look up the definition of 'ignorant', then go back and look at the documents on your website.

The smart-*** aleck ***, elitist comments by the Capes are typical of those who want to protect certain criminals and those protecting the criminals, and in doing so, help to perpetuate future criminal acts against other innocent victims, such as Ellison and Weller.

Along with other county officials, Commissioner Lance Smith shirked his duties and broke the law. Any lawyer who says differently is either trying to protect his own dirty political connections, or he's trying to protect his own dirty *** backside ***.

You might not post this, but I sure do feel better having written it.

(Unsigned)

Thanks for your comments.

Our coverage of this shameful case has certainly angered a lot of people.   Law abiding persons are angered over what happened to Barbara and Maxine.   Lawless persons are angered at Barbara and Maxine for refusing to be silent and cooperative victims and angered at Bubbaworld for exposing the crimes and injustices committed against these women.

Had this scenario occurred ten years ago, no one outside of Wister, OK would have heard of it.  Today it's out there for the world to see, thanks to the internet, and that fact itself angers some people.   Especially those with vested interests in this case.

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do you really know the people you are talking about? because if you did you wouldn't be so one sided. did you know that your wonderful barbara sits at home collecting her crazy check. she gets bored so she has to think up ways to entertain her self. thats what is going on now. this isn't the first time she has done this, do some real background checking.

why is it all right for barbara to put a storage building on this small piece of land but the wolfes can't sat foot on it? since this matter is still in the courts noone should be able to do anything with the land.

there is alot of people out there that says, poor barbara. thats the people who don't have no idea what is going on. they read this one sided bull crap you write. you need to do some investigating instead of listening to someone who recieves a crazy check every month.

barbara has taken pictures of the wolfes picking up trash with beer boxes and trying to say they were drinking in front of the store to try and get their licenes revoaked.

what kind of person does stuff like that? that is just one example of what the wolfes have to put up with.

april chitwood


Good Evening

Your e-mail and this reply will soon be included within The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma section on Bubbaworld.com. Thanks for your contribution to the discourse.

We do not need to personally know the people we have written about in the series The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma.

The official records are all that is needed to know that land fraud has been committed, that countless lies have been told to coverup that fraud and that the Wolfes have not only broken the law but in reality there are legitimate questions as to whether they legally own ANY land adjacent to Barbara Ellison.

The truth is all there in The Fence series.

For example in part 6 are copies of the official land records dating back to the time what is now the Ellison property was parcelled from the larger Hines property. What is now the Ellison property has not changed in over twenty years. And the county owns the strip of land adjacent to the south of Ellison's property as it has for even longer. To claim otherwise you have to believe Lance Smith a liar, the Oklahoma Corporation Commission is wrong and the LeFlore County courthouse records non- existent.

These are land records which anyone, including you, can go to the courthouse and examine for themselves. I don't make this stuff up and I don't need to know anyone to read land records, court documents, the sworn statement of County Commissioner Lance Smith and the findings of the Oklahoma Corporation Commission.

By the way, we've never met Barbara Ellison either.

But no one needs to know Barbara Ellison in order to understand the crimes committed against her.

Whether or not Barbara Ellison receives a check from the government and if so for whatever reason, does not diminish the fact that crimes have been committed against her. What you think or say against her does not alter reality. And the reality is that we at Bubbaworld have examined the records, all the records, and there's no denying reality, Barbara Ellison owns exactly the property she has always claimed and the Wolfes do not. It really is that simple.

You say this matter is 'still in the courts', if that means anything applicable to the false land claims of the Wolfes against Barbara Ellison and/or LeFlore County that's a blatant lie. That matter is not in the courts and it never has been.

The only court actions involved in this case involved protective orders sought by Barbara Ellison and her mother against the Wolfes, Wayne Wolfe's ill-fated and ultimately withdrawn small claims suit against the people that removed the illegal fence and now the misdemeanor assault and battery complaint against Barbara Ellison. That's it. That's all that has been 'in the courts'.

If you wish to claim different, prove it with a case number which can be verified by looking up the applicable case in the on-line court records. Otherwise, don't lie about it being 'still in the courts'.

You say we need to do some 'investigating'.

In reality it is you that needs to go to the courthouse and get a dose of reality from the numerous records copies of which we have posted throughout The Fence series and will continue to post until this shameful case is resolved and justice is served.

We have investigated and in doing so have found that Barbara Ellison is right and has been telling the truth all along. We have also found that the Wolfe family is wrong in their claims about both Ellison's property as well as the county right-of- way. The evidence in the form of official records is overwhelming and against the Wolfes. Once again it really is that simple.

Anyone can see that if only they would open their eyes and examine the evidence instead of getting into personalities, ranting about 'crazy checks' and other nonsense.

And the reason it is alright for Barbara Ellison to put a small storage building on 'the small strip of land' is because she owns it. If she were to place such a building on the county right-of-way then she would be in the wrong. She hasn't and therefore she isn't.

You mention what the Wolfes have to 'put up with'. Here's a question for you...

Have the Wolfes ever had to put up with someone constructing a fence across the driveway of the gin hole store thereby cutting off access to the county road for six months?

Be sure and get back with me on that.

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I only became aware of this situation in August when after retiring I clicked onto a community forum link to try to become aware of happenings where I live.   I have never met Ms. Ellison and am not acquainted with the Wolfe family, but I have taken Barbara's side in this because she has supported everything she has to say with documented facts.

Those who are against her are just that, against her.  They have never really supported the Wolfe family, nor put forth anything except hearsay and gossip and cruel remarks directed at her.

I have asked one question that no one has provided an answer for.   Barbara has diligently searched the records at the courthouse and satisfactorily proven that a part of the land that the neighbors claim does in fact belong to herself and another part in fact belongs to Leflore County.   Those against Barbara keep telling her to take the matter to civil court, but no one is urging the Wolfe family to take the matter to court.   I believe if Barbara initiated a court matter it would only produce another piece of paper her neighbors would continue to ignore while the harassment and intimidation also continued.  I also believe the Wolfe family has not taken the matter to a civil court because they know they are wrong.   The one part I do not know for sure about is the fact that the Wolfe family has a loan at a bank, using these parts of property in dispute as collateral, but have no reason to disbelieve it either.

I ain't got no problem with you using my name.  If I am willing to say anything and put it in writing, I am certainly willing to own the words.

Ms. Bobbie McAuliffe


Thanks for your contribution to the discourse on this remarkable scandal.

A crushing mountain of evidence has been and is continuing to be built in favor of Barbara Ellison and against her neighbors' contentions regarding both Ellison's land as well as the county owned right-of-way.  The opposition has presented no evidence what-so-ever and merely engages in petty name calling, deceit and harassment.  They do this because they have nothing else; no facts, no evidence and no support for their unjust position.  They not only engage in this behavior against Barbara and her mother but also against anyone that supports Barbara Ellison in seeking justice.

To the lawless, pieces of paper mean nothing.  Nor do property rights, chains of title or even reality itself, when it stands in the way of the lawless obtaining something they want.   There are only two restraints upon the lawless and their evil deeds.

The first restraint is the rule of law itself.  When those sworn to uphold the law refuse to enforce it equitably and condone its violation by their relatives, friends and associates one sees the very situation which exists in LeFlore County today.

The second restraint is public opinion.  This is the only restraint currently functioning in LeFlore County.  Owning to the shock, despair and outrage law abiding citizens feel as they become aware of this scandal, the evil doers have been somewhat restrained.  However, as recent events reveal they have not given up and are now relying upon their friends, relatives and associates within a corrupt government to do their dirty work for them.

That effort is doomed to fail and will ultimately result in a major 'house cleaning' of LeFlore County government, PROVIDED decent, law abiding persons such as yourself keep speaking out against the evil that pervades your county's government. I encourage everyone reading this to share the facts of this scandal with relatives, friends and co-workers and encourage them to get on the phone to their government officials and demand justice.   Once the politicians of LeFlore County realize the citizenry is figuratively standing outside the castle with torches and pitchforks and they are 'mad as hell', they will abandon Barbara Ellison's tormentors so fast it will make their heads spin.

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