The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma does not look like much of a fence does it?

Of course to Barbara Ellison and her mother with their vehicles trapped behind this fence since September, 2004 it is pretty significant.

Ellison owns the white pickup truck shown in the picture above. She also owns the sign which reads, "This property under siege. Illegal fence against owner's will". The fence is located in the Summerfield community near Wister, Oklahoma.

Ellison lays claim to the deed to part of the property on which the fence was built and she maintains that LeFlore County owns the remainder. However it was neither Barbara Ellison or LeFlore County which erected this fence. According to Ellison the fence was erected by her neighbors. Neighbors that are, according to Ellison, holding her vehicles captive behind what she describes as an "illegal fence". A fence which totally blocks access from Ellison's driveway to the county road.

That The Fence of LeFlore County is at the center of a property dispute between Ellison and her neighbors is without question. Ultimately the issue may have to be settled in a court of law. At contention is a triangular strip of land between Ellison's home and the county road. A county road which was relocated a few feet to the south approximately 18 years ago.

The old as well as the newer roadbed entails an 'easement' on either side, an easement which is owned by the county. Ellison contends that the county never released the old roadbed's easement back to the land parcels from which it was originally taken. She also maintains that even if it had been released, that portion of the land which made up the original roadway's easement adjacent to her property would have reverted to her ownership not that of her neighbors whose property is located adjacent to Ellison's.

What is striking about the entire dispute is the total lack of action on the part of LeFlore County officials in the face of Ellison's contention and offering of proof that a portion of the fence was built upon county owned land. Ellison's pleas, complaints and demands for government action appear to have been ignored by not only the LeFlore County Commissioner of the district in which she lives but also the County Sheriff and the District Attorney's office. Each of which has a moral, ethical and legal responsibility to not only protect county property but also the rights of LeFlore County residents. A responsibility which in the opinion of this writer each has by in large totally ignored.

In an e-mail interview with the Bubbaworld Editor, Ellison revealed that she has owned her property since June, 1999 and that her 'neighbors' acquired possession of the adjoining business property in 2003.

Ellison indicated that her problems began shortly after Christmas of 2003 when her existing fence which ran along the dividing line between the old roadway's easement and her yard was ripped out. For further info see Reference 1

Ellison's 74-year old mother who was visiting for the holidays decided to remain to help her daughter resolve her difficulties and took up residence in a second house on the Ellison property.

In June of 2004, Ellison reported another incident to the LeFlore County Sheriff's Office. This time Ellison filed a complaint regarding the destruction of trees upon her property. For further info see Reference 2

In August of 2004, a camper trailer appeared within the perimeter of her circular driveway. Ellison filed a complaint with the LeFlore County Sheriff's Office regarding the camper in early September. For additional info see Reference 3

According to Ellison the camper remained in place from August, 2004 until January, 2005. Below are images of this camper. Clicking on an image will open the full-size image in a new browser window.



The picture on the left in addition to depicting the placement of the camper also provides a great perspective on the layout of the front of the property. The eastern end of Ellison's circular driveway is at the lower left of the image and the western end is located between the two pine trees at the top of the image. At the time this picture was taken none of the fencing had taken place, the camper had simply been deposited where shown.

The picture on the right is a close up of the camper itself. Its condition is revealed clearly in the full-size image. Hopefully the inside looks a lot better than the outside otherwise this writer would not be caught dead inside it. Why this trailer was placed where shown is anyone's guess. It might be that the person that placed it there was trying to recreate the Oklahoma Land Rush and was staking out a claim to a 'homestead' by way of camper trailer. Possibly the person that placed it there was in the process of hauling it to the dump and simply dumped it along side the road. Your guess is as good as mine. Fortunately for Ellison this eyesore was removed after about five months of her having to see it, day in and day out.

On September 10, 2004, and for reasons unknown to this writer, Assistant District Attorney Jeff Mixon apparently penned a letter addressed to Barbara Ellison. This letter touches upon the property dispute between Ellison and her neighbors and expresses a hope that the parties would consult with their respective attorneys to clarify their property rights. The letter is noteworthy more for what it does not say than for what it does.

In this letter there is no mention what so ever of Ellison's contention that a significant portion of the property in dispute is actually the property of LeFlore County, Oklahoma. This aspect of the issue is totally ignored in the letter, which appears not only odd but also revealing.

Property disputes between private individuals and over private property are not within the realm of the District Attorney's office but rather the civil courts and private attorneys. They do not normally involve districts attorney. However, property disputes involving county property are within the realm of county officials and certainly the District Attorney's office would be involved in any such action.

This of course leads one to question why a LeFlore County Assistant District Attorney was becoming involved in the property dispute if there was not a valid county issue involved. I can not answer that question. Only former District Attorney Rob Wallace and his Assistant District Attorney Jeff Mixon can as the letter in question does not touch upon 'why' the DA's office became involved.

For reference purposes we are making this two page letter available. We have provided both an original version and a version annotated by Barbara Ellison in which she counters various contentions made within the letter. The only alteration to the original version is that its size and color density have been reduced to permit easy viewing with a web browser. The annotated version is being presented in its original large size to permit viewing the annotations.

The original version is available as Letter 1
The annotated version is available as Letter 2

In viewing the letter did you notice anything 'interesting' about the letterhead?

If not you might wish to take another look at it and examine the left side of the letterhead area of the first page. The Great Seal of the State of Oklahoma is up-side down and backwards.

Traditionally, a flag flown up-side down has been used as a distress signal. While I can not say there was any specific intent in the placement of the seal on this letter, I can certainly state an opinion, one holding that there are ample signs of distress and were not something 'backward' in LeFlore County government there would have been no cause for the writing or reading of this article.

On September 11, 2004, one day after the date of the 'Mixon Letter', Ellison's problems escalated greatly. A fence was erected which completely blocks her driveway's access to the county road. Over the course of one week, between 9/11/04 and 9/18/04, Ellison filed at least four reports with the LeFlore County Sheriff's Department regarding the on-going incidents. We are making available various reports from Sheriff's deputies and statements from Ellison which accompanied those reports from that time frame. These reports are available as follows:

Reference 4, Reference 5, Reference 6 and Reference 7

Below is a series of images which reveal the layout of the property and that of The Fence of LeFlore County. Clicking on an image will open the full-size image in a new browser window.

The left most picture shows the west entrance to Ellison's circular driveway. A close examination of the picture will reveal that there are in reality two fences in place. The fence nearest the pickup truck is comprised of welded steel pipe posts and top rails while the body of the fence is comprised of 'hog panels'. The second fence is simply a barbed wire fence strung on red steel poles. The two fences converge near the western boundary of Ellison's property.

The center picture continues east and provides a good view of both the inner heavy duty fence and the lighter outer fence. In this picture it is easy to see the western end of the circular drive as it passes between two pine trees. Notice the mailbox just to the right of center frame. That is Barbara Ellison's mailbox and it is outside the two fences, clearly in the county easement for the current roadway. From this picture it would appear that the red fence post for the barbed wire is located very near the end of the new roadway's easement and the beginning of the original roadway's easement. Both of which Ellison contends are still under county control

The right most picture reveals the eastern end of the property and also the east entrance to Ellison's driveway. Grass and weeds have grown over this portion of the driveway since the area was fenced off making the driveway unusable.

There are several interesting features of this picture. First, notice the gate directly across what was Ellison's east entrance. Although an attempt has been made to give the appearance that the driveway exiting from the county roadway goes toward the business property next to Ellison's land it is quite clear that in spite of the sloppy job of applying black rock that the lay of the land and years of tire imprints clearly indicate this was one of the two entrances to Ellison's property.

Near the left (west) side of the image one will see a wooden post with a green object next to it. That green object is the telephone company pedestal which serves the immediate area. As anyone with any knowledge of rural property issues in Oklahoma would know, utility company devices, lines, pipes and similar objects are located upon the county easement, i.e. the right of way. From this view it is quite clear that at least portions, if not the majority, of the so called "illegal fence" are located upon the county easement. Either that or the local telephone company has its equipment on private property, property on which it has no legal right to trespass and has been doing so for many years.

Barbara Ellison agreed to provide a series of annotated photographs in support of her contentions that portions of the so called "illegal fence" are on county property. Clicking on any of the following annotated images will display the full-sized image in a new browser window.



The editor/webmaster of Bubbaworld is in no position to render legal judgment on Ellison's claims. However, like our readers we are free to arrive at and voice an opinion based upon the facts as we currently see them. In the opinion of this writer the above photographs clearly show that portions of the so called "illegal fence" including the gate and the entire barbed wire portion of the fence nearest the roadway are within the original county easement.

Of course, your opinion may vary.

If so, please ask yourself how many times you have seen utilities traversing private property rather than a city or county easement. In doing so one will likely come to the same opinion that I have expressed here. Namely that at least portions of the fence blocking Ellison's access to the county road are in fact located within the county easement and are therefore illegal; unless LeFlore County, Oklahoma is granting special dispensation to private individuals to fence off county owned property.

If there is some type of special dispensation available one can only wonder how long it will be before some enterprising person fences off a portion of the county courthouse property to set up a snack bar, a parking lot or possibly an area for camping trailers.

In the days following the erection of the fence, Barbara Ellison began contacting officials at various levels of government seeking help in getting the fence removed from at least that part of the land which Ellison contends is county property. Ellison knew that if she achieved that goal it would open her western driveway entrance to the roadway. Ellison was concerned owing to the critical nature of the situation wherein emergency vehicles responding in the event of fire, injury or serious illness would be blocked from entering her property. The fact that Ellison could not drive from or back onto her own property only added insult to injury.

As September ground on and with the Ellison family vehicles blocked in and the rest of the world blocked out, a letter dated September 29, 2004 and purporting to be from an attorney representing Ellison's neighbor arrived. The letter informed Ellison that she was to cease and desist 'trespassing upon her neighbors' property'. The letter bore the signature of local attorney Douglas W. Schmuck. For reference see Letter 3 .

Barbara Ellison once again agreed to provide an annotated copy of a letter, this time the letter from Lawyer Schmuck. In that annotated copy Ellison counters allegations made in the attorney's letter. For reference see Letter 4 .

Eventually in her calls and letters seeking help from government officials Ellison worked her way all the way up to Brad Henry, the Governor of Oklahoma. On October 6, 2004, Mark Musser the Agency Liaison and Public Policy Specialist for Governor Henry replied to Ellison's request for assistance. Musser's letter basically informed Ellison that the Governor was powerless to help with her problems and that she should contact the District Attorney for assistance. The letter from Musser also informed Ellison that if her issue involved the District Attorney she should contact the Oklahoma Attorney General's office. For reference see Letter 5 .

Although the Governor's office was of no help to Ellison, at least they got the Great Seal of Oklahoma right on the letterhead. A feat which the District Attorney's office apparently has difficulty in achieving. In that the Governor's office was of no help what so ever, one can only wonder how that office would react if someone ran a fence across the driveway of the Governor's mansion. If for nothing else for her efforts with the Governor, Ellison received a neat souvenir. Obviously she would have rather had her driveway back.

Failing to receive help from the Governor, Ellison set her sites lower, much lower. She decided to take her issues before the LeFlore County Commissioners at their scheduled November 1st meeting. Ellison's request to address the County Commissioners regarding the issues of the old roadbed, county easement and 'illegal fence' was listed as item number 10 on the agenda for the commissioners' meeting. The official minutes of that meeting indicate that LeFlore County Commission Chairman Carroll Rogers made a motion to 'move item #10 down'. Fellow Commissioner Freddie D. Cox seconded the motion and the Commissioner from Ellison's district, Lance Smith, made it a threesome with all voting yes. One might speculate that the commissioners would have preferred to move the item completely off the agenda and Barbara Ellison out of the county judging by the way Ellison was treated.

Ellison presented her case to the County Commissioners and requested that an official survey be conducted to settle the issue. The decision to grant such a request rests with the commissioner from Ellison's district, Commissioner Lance Smith. The minutes of the meeting indicate, 'No Action Taken' on Ellison's requests. 'No action taken' would seem to pretty much sum up the actions of practically every government official that Ellison had contacted throughout the case, so she was not surprised.

We have included a copy of the minutes of LeFlore County Commissioners meeting of November 1, 2004. The original document consists of two legal-size pages which have been converted to three graphic images during the process of scanning them. For more info see Reference 8

On November 8, Barbara Ellison awoke to a 'sign'.

No it was not a sign that her problems were over. It was simply a sign of the times. And it read 'Private Property No Trespassing'.

The sign had been placed under the cover of darkness the previous night and as Ellison examined the sign she noticed that the word 'Private' looked somehow different than the other text on the sign. A closer examination revealed that the word 'Private' had been written upon a piece of tape which was affixed to the rest of the sign. Pulling the tape aside revealed the text, 'U.S.'.

Isn't a sign that says 'U.S. Property No Trespassing' usually the property of the U.S. government?
And as such not to be used to mark private property?

Of course there may be a perfectly logical explanation for 'the sign'. Maybe it was purchased at a government surplus action. Or it may have simply 'wandered off' and showed up at Ellison's home looking for a place to stay. In any case, we are making available pictures of 'the sign' both before and after the tape was removed.
These pictures are available as Reference 9

On 12 November, 2004 Barbara Ellison wrote a letter to LeFlore County Commissioner Lance Smith. In that Letter Ellison requested Smith let her know via return mail if he had made provisions to have the official survey done and if so how much it would cost the county. Ellison volunteered to attempt to get the survey done cheaper if costs were an issue. In the letter Ellison also informed Commissioner Smith that a friend of hers sustained $400 damage to her car while attempting to enter Ellison's driveway and failing to see the barbed wire fence. Also in her letter Ellison requested that Commissioner Smith respond in writing within 30 days.

We are making a copy of Ellison's letter available here. It is available in both an MS Word format as well as a text file format. Selecting to view the letter in either format will open a new browser window. To read the letter from Ellison to Commissioner Smith in MS Word format Click Here To view the letter in text format Click Here . The Certified Mail receipt indicating that Ellison's letter to Commissioner Smith was delivered is available as Reference 10

As of the date of this writing Commissioner Smith has not seen fit to respond to Barbara Ellison's request and 'No Action Taken' appears to be the only result of Ellison's efforts to obtain justice in LeFlore County, Oklahoma.

Also as of the date of this writing, the Ellison family vehicles remain imprisoned behind The Fence of LeFlore County. They have been so imprisoned for five months and counting...

Early on the morning of 2/21/05, Barbara Ellison's step-father, Joel P. Weller, husband of Maxine Weller, passed away. He had been taken from a local nursing home to the hospital in Poteau, OK on Friday. Joel was a veteran of WW II having served as a fighter pilot and instructor in the U.S. Army Air Corps. During Joel's stay in the nursing home and hospital, friends of Barbara Ellison and her mother had been providing transportation as time and circumstances permitted in order that Maxine could spend as much time with Joel as possible.

Sadly, Maxine was not at Joel's side at the time of his passing owing to a lack of transportation and The Fence of LeFlore County. The fence which even on the day of Joel's passing prevented her from leaving home to view Joel's body until outside transportation could once again be arranged.

On 3/14/05, The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma ceased to exist.

The fence was cut down, cut up and hauled off. All that remains is one intact fence post and the gate which was adjacent to Barbara Ellison's east driveway. The gate itself is laying on the ground, as the posts which held it in place were cut up and removed. The lone remaining fence post does not impede access to Ellison's property.

The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma did not come down owing to any action on the part of government officials.

The fence came down owing to nothing other than Barbara Ellison's decision to abate a nuisance and protect her right of access to her property. These rights and remedies are specified by Oklahoma Statutes. For reference see:

Nuisances Defined

Public Nuisance Defined
Three Remedies against a Public Nuisance
Public Nuisance - Abatement by Person Injured by Nuisance

Private Nuisance Defined
Two Remedies against a Private Nuisance
Injured Person May Abate Private Nuisance by Removing or Destroying Thing Constituting Nuisance

It makes no difference whether The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma was a public or private nuisance. Under Oklahoma Statutes, as referenced above, it is clear that Barbara Ellison was within her rights to abate the nuisance.

Reports from the scene indicate that as this unsightly nuisance was being abated, the LeFlore County Undersheriff and a deputy arrived on the scene, 'took names and called in for instructions'. They ultimately left the scene with no other action taken and the abatement continued until completed.

Barbara Ellison files complaint with LeFlore County Sheriff's Department alleging stalking.

Ellison alleges that since The Fence of LeFlore County, Oklahoma was abated that her neighbors have repeatedly entered her driveway, driven upon her property and into her yard and have engaged in 'horn honking' while doing so. The stalking allegedly took place on the evening of 3/14/05 and the morning of 3/15/05.

In conjunction with Ellison's complaint to the Sheriff's office she submitted a statement detailing the allegations. The report and statement were taken by LeFlore County Deputy Wes Ritter on the evening of 3/15/05. Ellison requested Ritter acknowledge receipt of the statement, which he did by signing his name and badge number in the extreme lower right corner of the document. We are making a copy of that statement available here as Reference 11

Oklahoma law as it pertains to stalking is found in the Oklahoma Statutes at Title 21, Chapter 47A, section 1173. For reference see Penalties for Stalking-Definitions

An examination of that reference reveals the following:

A. Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person in a manner that:

1. Would cause a reasonable person or a member of the immediate family of that person as defined in subsection F of this section to feel frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested; and

2. Actually causes the person being followed or harassed to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested,

upon conviction, shall be guilty of the crime of stalking, which is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one (1) year or by a fine of not more than One Thousand Dollars ($1,000.00), or by both such fine and imprisonment.

An examination of the definitions provided in 'subsection F' referenced above reveals the following:

F. For purposes of this section:

1. "Harasses" means a pattern or course of conduct directed toward another individual that includes, but is not limited to, repeated or continuing unconsented contact, that would cause a reasonable person to suffer emotional distress, and that actually causes emotional distress to the victim. Harassment shall include harassing or obscene phone calls as prohibited by Section 1172 of this title and conduct prohibited by Section 850 of this title. Harassment does not include constitutionally protected activity or conduct that serves a legitimate purpose;

2. "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of two (2) or more separate acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct";

Pretty straight forward, huh?

Barbara Ellison has alleged she has been and is being stalked as such is defined within the Oklahoma Statutes. The ball is now in the court of the LeFlore County Sheriff, Bob Campbell and District Attorney Farley Ward. Both have taken an oath of office to uphold both the law and the constitutions of Oklahoma and the United States. By both law and his oath of office the Sheriff is required to conduct a fair and through investigation of these allegations. If that investigation reveals there is probable cause to believe that Ellison's allegations are true Sheriff Campbell must refer the case to the District Attorney for prosecution. It really is that simple.

Whether these things will happen or not is anyone's guess. What is not open to speculation or guesswork is the fact that many people far outside the confines of LeFlore County Oklahoma are watching this case with great interest.

Barbara Ellison's private property dispute with her neighbors is not unique. Disputes over the ownership of private property occur frequently and often the dispute must be settled in a court of law. In these cases someone wins, someone loses and life goes on.

What is unique about Ellison's situation is that it involves both private and allegedly public property. The public property aspects of this dispute are what makes it both unique and alarming.

This property dispute is unique in that Ellison claims and offers evidence that a major portion of the property involved in the dispute is in fact a county owned easement associated with the roadway which passes in front of the homes of both Ellison and her mother.

This property dispute is alarming in that not a single government official has seen fit to do their duty to determine if Ellison's claims regarding the county easement are true and if they are true to compel the removal of that portion of the fence which is located upon land deeded to LeFlore County many years ago.

Time after time Ellison has been told by first one government official and another that this is a 'civil matter' and that she should hire a private attorney to represent her interests. Ellison, a person of limited financial means, has attempted to hire a local attorney and has yet to find one willing to take her case.

While it is the right of any private attorney to accept or reject clients as the attorney sees fit it is not the right of government officials to ignore allegations of criminal misconduct in the taking of public land for private use. Barbara Ellison has made allegations of such criminal misconduct and has been ignored, ridiculed and verbally abused for standing up for both what is right and her rights.

I can not say with certainty that Ellison has a legitimate complaint regarding the conversion of public land, specifically the easement, to private use. There are however two factors which weigh heavily in Ellison's favor.

First, the easement associated with the old roadway has not been released back to the original land parcels from which it was taken.

Second, a land survey sanctioned by the LeFlore County Commissioners to permit a determination as to whether some of the fencing which is blocking Ellison's entrances is or is not located upon the easement associated with the roadway has not been performed. That such a land survey has not been conducted is very telling.

LeFlore County Commissioner Lance Smith has the legal authority to order a land survey to resolve this issue once and for all. That Commissioner Smith has refused to do so is in and of itself also telling. It is my strongly held personal opinion, that his refusal to order the survey indicates he already knows what the results would be and that Commissioner Smith has been acting in a manner to insure that no survey ever takes place. I hereby call upon Commissioner Smith to do his duty, to do what is right and to order the land survey. He can settle this issue once and for all, if only he chooses to do so.

The District Attorney for LeFlore and Latimer counties has both the power and the responsibility to insure the rights of the citizens of the county are upheld. While it is not within the responsibility of the District Attorney's office to become involved in private land disputes it certainly is within that office's responsibility to become involved in criminal matters including the alleged illegal conversion of public property to private use. Barbara Ellison received a letter purportedly from Assistant District Attorney Jeff Mixon in which the letter writer opined upon various issues involved in the private property dispute while totally ignoring the alleged illegal conversion of public property to private use. If the letter to Barbara Ellison and bearing the signature of Jeff Mixon was in fact penned by ADA Mixon why was he even becoming involved in the private aspects of the dispute and why did he not address the public property issues? If the letter was in fact written by ADA Mixon was it written with the full knowledge and approval of then District Attorney Rob Wallace whose name and title appear in the letterhead? If in fact ADA Mixon wrote the letter, that fact in and of itself is telling.

While Oklahoma Governor Brad Henry has no jurisdiction in matters relating to the judiciary, city and county government or law enforcement he does have a telephone and he probably knows or has access to the phone number of the Attorney General of the State of Oklahoma. The Attorney General does have jurisdiction in such matters and a most powerful investigative tool in the multi-county grand jury. Should Governor Henry awake one morning to learn that someone had constructed a fence across the lawn of the Governor's Mansion completely blocking its driveways we can be pretty certain he would be on the phone to someone and that a major investigation would be conducted and the fence removed before lunch. Why is Barbara Ellison's lawn and driveway any less important? Governor Henry while you have no jurisdiction in this matter and certainly haven't the time to become involved in private property disputes the fact is that you have considerable influence in 'getting things done'. All that is needed on your part is to make a few phone calls and odds are Ellison's allegations of the illegal conversion of public property to private use would actually be investigated rather than being ignored. It's the least you could do.

Attorney General Drew Edmondson, Barbara Ellison contacted your office regarding this matter and received no assistance what so ever. Granted you are a very busy and dedicated government official and haven't the time to become involved in private property disputes. However your office has a duty to investigate alleged criminal activity including the alleged conversion of public property for private use when other government officials refuse to do so. You have at your disposal the multi-county grand jury, a powerful tool to investigate misconduct on the part of government officials and employees and I now call upon you to contact Barbara Ellison, review her evidence of the criminal conduct that she alleges is being ignored by the law enforcement and judiciary officials of LeFlore County and bring justice to a situation where it is clearly lacking.

And lastly to the decent, honest and honorable citizens of LeFlore County, Oklahoma I extend a request. A request to consider the implications of the situation in which Barbara Ellison has found herself. It could just as easily had been you or a family member that has gone through what Barbara Ellison has and is still enduring.

I understand that some of you are afraid, afraid to 'rock the boat' or to take a stand for what is right and just. At times we are all afraid of something. However we can not let our fears dictate the course of our lives for if we do we are just as imprisoned as are the Ellison family vehicles behind The Fence of LeFlore County.

Barbara Ellison may be right or she may be wrong in her contentions regarding the on-going property dispute. But until this entire fiasco is exposed to the bright light of day and the land survey conducted there can be no justice for Barbara Ellison.

And always remember, no one is exempt from becoming the next Barbara Ellison. The only real protection you have is to stand up and demand a through investigation of this matter and if your current government officials refuse to do so, well, that's why they have elections.

It really is that simple.

We at Bubbaworld.com are doing further research into this matter, have obtained additional documentation which we will be making available in the future and we are also in the process of opening up a special section of Bubbaworld to cover various other incidents in LeFlore County. Be sure and check back with us often for you never know which rock we will be turning over next.

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